[sk-i18n] Zdravim
Martin Babik
martin.babik at gmail.com
Fri Jan 18 13:15:52 CET 2008
Ahoj,
ďakujem, pomohlo ;o)
2008/1/18 Peter Tuhársky <tuharsky at misbb.sk>:
> Ahoj, Martin
>
> Posielam Ti dokument, ktorý som vytvoril pre nováčikov.
> Ostatní, prosím, skomentujte, chystám sa to poslať do GNOME-i18n
>
>
> Peťo
>
> Martin Babik wrote / napísal(a):
> > (toto je resend, kedze si nie som isty ci predosli post presiel, ak ano
> > tak sorry za SPAM ;-) )
> >
> > Zdravím všetkých,
> >
> > ako ďalší nováčik sa hlásim k pomoci s prekladmi.
> > Potreboval by som niekoho kto mi v skratke pomôže so začiatkom resp.
> > odkáže na potrebné docu.
> > Mám skúsenosti s prekladom aplikácií a textov do embedded zariadení v
> > oblasti meracej a regulačnej techniky a jej vizualizácie, čo však
> > neznamená, že musím prekladať práve v tejto oblasti.
> >
> > Teším sa na spoluprácu
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
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> *GNOME translation mini-HOWTO
> for the translation newbies*
>
>
>
> Peter Tuhársky <tuharsky at misbb dot sk>
> Last edited: 18.1.2008
>
>
> If You consider to improve the GNOME translation for Your language, first
> decide:
> 1, Do You want just to *report* some incorrectly translated strings? Then
> everything You need is GNOME bugzilla account <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/>.
> You fill in the translation bug just like any other bug (that You hopefully
> report too).
> 2, Do You want to *help translating* some apps? Then the following piece
> information may be useful for You.
> I have written them because I joined the translation recently and I see
> that such a piece of information would help me, and could help others. Feel
> free to extend this material and correct the possibly wrong statements.
>
>
>
>
> - *Join the **gnome-i18n mailing list <gnome-i18n at gnome.org> *as that's
> the place where the majority of the Gnome Translation Project communication
> happens.
> - There is also an additional way of discussion - IRC channel
> at #i18n on irc.gnome.org
> - If You wish to participate on the documentation, GDP<http://www.gnome.org/gdp>has gnome-doc mailing list and GDP IRC channel, #docs at
> irc.gnome.org.
>
>
> - *Find Your local community* by the team<http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/>or by the
> language <http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/>.
> - *Contact Your team leader*. Let him know what You're willing
> to do. He may offer You some help, guidance and coordination with the tasks
> that others are working on.
> - Waiting for an answer, You can of course *move to next
> steps.*
> - If the team leader didn't answer, contact some other team
> member.
> - If noone answers in reasonable time (say, two weeks), let
> the GTP heads know about that.
> - If the team for Your language dosen't exist either, start
> one <http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/StartingATeam>.
>
>
> - *Explore the terminology, keep translations consistent*
> - *Meet the online resources*
> - Your translation team probably suggests some online translation
> dictionary in order to help You with computer-specific terms. Look at these
> resources and make them familiar to You. You will need them. Don't be shy to
> consult them.
> - Among the general online resources, look at these
> links: Babelzilla glossary<http://www.babelzilla.org/index.php?option=com_glossary&Itemid=73>,
> <put others here>
> - You might even join them in order to keep these
> resources as up-to-date and complete as needed. You do it for Yourself and
> for newbies too. The higher quality of the resources, the better
> translations and less work needed to keep them consistent.
> - *Follow the Microsoft terminology in reasonable way*
> - Although You may not like the Microsoft, there are
> good reasons to make the translations consistent with their computing
> terminology:
> - The translations and terminology are usually the
> best side of their products. This may vary for each country of course, since
> the translation is held by the the local offices. Some of them possibly have
> accomplished better job than others.
> - They have paid professionals, they have invested
> resources. The resulting terminology does have it's value, although it is
> not necessarry perfect.
> - You don't waste Your precious time and energy
> reinventing the wheel.
> - It might be "cool" somehow to create different
> terminology, however at the end it probably dosen't help anyone.
> - Be kind to the average users. They probably have
> learned the computer terminology on Microsoft's products, or will probably
> have to use them somewhere. Don't make their computer experience harder than
> necessarry. Don't make them feel hostile. If they are switching to Linux
> from Windows, there is already much they must learn. Help them. Let them
> feel comfortably and "home" at least in terms of terminology. Otherwise they
> could just feel the system "strange" and turn away.
> - The professionals do.
> - The enterprise market demands the translations
> to keep the standard PC terminology, that is, like it or not, mostly created
> by the Microsoft. They have invested to their people. The less hassle, the
> better chance to adopt opensource technologies.
> - If You really hate Microsoft, then remember: You
> fight them with their own weapons ;-)
>
>
> - *Choose Your software*
> - Although You can do it using any simple text editor that
> preserves headers and syntax of the file (including Midnight Commander
> Editor, VI, emacs or others), there also are much more comfortable programs.
>
> - POedit is simple translation tool and quite good start
> point. It offers all basic functionality needed: authomatic spellchecking,
> plural editation,translation database etc.
> - gtranslator
> - KBabel is complex and feature rich application. It
> offers some strong tools: catalogue manager, dictionary generator using
> previous translations, translation following the source code, and an
> authomatic translation that realy works.
> - Regardless of what You use, You will need *intltool*package.
> - First time You use Your chosen software, *set Your
> preferences*: The language, name and E-mail address. They will
> be automatically stored to the files You have edited in order to allow users
> or translation team members to contact You for bugs, suggestions, business
> offers and so on ;-)
>
>
> - *The translation process (technically)*
> - You don't need to be a programmer to translate GNOME
> packages. All translation is done using PO files.
> - *Download* the latest .tar.bz2 sources file of some package from GNOME
> ftp <http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/>.
> - Unpack.
> - In the po subdirectory, You should find Your language's *.po
> file*. That's the point of Your interest.
> - If there isn't one, then the application is not translated
> to Your language. You may either copy the file of the closest language that
> users in Your country understand, or use the *msginit* tool
> with the --locale parameter with value in this form: sk_SK.UTF-8
> - Either way, create the file xy.po (where xy is the
> code of Your language).
> - *check and possibly edit the header* of the file: the
> language information, country, region, translation team, plural string, and
> save the edited file back to the po directory. You can borrow these from
> other .po file of Your language, possibly from other application
> that already is translated.
> - the Project-Id-Version parameter should be in
> the form project-id version, e.q. gst-plugins-ugly
> 0.10.6
> - run *intltool-update xy* (where xy is the language
> code) in order to upgrade the file against the most recent english version
> - now You can start translating the file in Your editor
> of choice...
> - There are words that should NOT be translated: .desktop,
> .sound and few others. They are usually labelled by translation note.
> - The strings could have one of 3 possible status: *translated,
> fuzzy and untranslated*. The "fuzzy" usually means, that it
> has been automatically generated by some software and needs human review, or
> that the previous translator has not been shure about the translation of the
> string. You can also use this status to mark the strings that You are not
> sure of.
> - The underscore letter "_" used before an alphabetical
> character means, that the following letter is used as keyboard shortcut.
> Please choose the letter in such way that there should be no problem
> accessing the letter from standard keyboard (special national characters are
> not necessarily good idea here).
>
>
> - *Overall suggestions*
> - *Keep Your priorities*. Look at Damned lies<http://l10n.gnome.org/>page, where the statistics is gathered among GNOME translations. Choose the
> applications You want to translate, and choose an order of doing that. The
> amount of work is usually huge, it is necessarry to split it to small
> pieces.
> - *Work in steps.* Concentrate on finishing one translation
> before moving to another. Yes, it is sometimes easier to start the work than
> to finish it. However, the complete translations have greater chance to get
> accepted, and everytime You send new version of the translation, someone has
> to review it and so on.
> - *First take care of fuzzy strings.* They usually contain
> considerable amount of nonsense, introduced by machine "approximate"
> translations, however could be more easily overlooked than untranslated
> strings and incorrectly marked as "translated" by the reviewer. At the end,
> mis-translated or nonsense string causes more harm than correct, yet
> untranslated (english) one.
> - *There is never "too late"* in order to correct incorrect
> translations or improve the terminology. Just keep it consistent.
> - *Community is valuable.* There is just too much work for
> one-man-show. Help the newbies, recognize the talents. One quality team
> member is probably more important than thousands of translated strings. I
> mean, that talents are worth the time invested.
> - *Translation itself is more important than menu shortcuts.*Of course the translation should be as good as possible, however if You
> can't see, where in the menu structure is the string placed, *Don't
> hesitate on the shortcuts: translate the application first.*Once You'll have enough time, You can still test the shortcuts in real life,
> or correct reported bugs in menu shortcuts. Until then, good translation
> with a possible few shortcut glitches can bless end users more, than
> half-translated app with (in fact) no better shortcuts, or even untranslated
> app.
> - *Don't underestimate the importance of Your work.* The
> translation enables the software to actually be used by the end users.
> Whatever great the code behind could be, without clear and smooth
> tranlation, hardly could anyone use it. Not everyone does handle english so
> well that he could use the software that is not fully localised. The lack of
> translation, or its low quality, certainly causes reasonable amount of
> potential Linux users turn away.
>
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